Date: 2003-12-17 01:17 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] scottopic.livejournal.com
Geez, that scathing hatred was harder on my eyes than reading the AFA site, but about on par with godhatesfags.com

Date: 2003-12-17 01:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
I guess there's no chance that this is satire. If it were, it would be brilliant.

Date: 2003-12-17 01:55 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rmwilliamsjr.livejournal.com
thanks for the link. it is a masterpiece of logical errors and disinformation. the only thing i could see that was true was C.S.Lewis's movement towards anglo-catholicism ....

Date: 2003-12-17 01:59 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
And even that needs to be qualified.

Date: 2003-12-17 02:03 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] nnnslogan.livejournal.com
Ever read any Jack Chick "tracts" (mini-comics)?

Date: 2003-12-17 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
Oh, my, yes. Same sort of thing. I'm so glad he converted to Chthulhu.

Date: 2003-12-17 02:04 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] jjostm.livejournal.com
Not only was the website a sample of classic bona-fide fundamentalist screed-craft, it also sensed my Anglo-Catholicism and crashed my bloody browser. And to think that these folks were bumpkins--they're able to discern one's ecclesiastical beliefs and act accordingly! Amazing!

-j

Date: 2003-12-17 02:06 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
Their server could descern the demonic in your browser...

Date: 2003-12-17 02:38 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] chipuni.livejournal.com
When David Simpson was trying to create the most extreme Christians he could think of, he drew:



Thanks for letting me know they really exist!

GAH.

Date: 2003-12-17 03:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] asqmh.livejournal.com
I really wish I had a more eloquent rebuttal at the moment, but "GAH" is really all I've got. It'd be heard the same either way.

I'd also like to add, for the record, "Oy."

One wonders if she's ever read Lewis, or merely clipped together popular soundbites?

Hi, by the way. Browsed onto your journal via [livejournal.com profile] seraphimsigrist.

Q.

Re: GAH.

Date: 2003-12-17 04:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
Gah-oy! Glad to see you.

Date: 2003-12-17 03:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] muelos.livejournal.com
What a relief. I always liked C.S. Lewis, and now I don't have to feel guilty about it.

Date: 2003-12-17 04:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] kirwar4face.livejournal.com
Priceless! (Uh, one "Ransom" to go, please! Thanks!)

I've never done this but . . .

Date: 2003-12-17 04:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calaf.livejournal.com
. . . I've often contemplated asking my very very fundamentalist students what Bible verse says that we must take every single word of the Bible literally lest we burn in Hell for all eternity.

I need my job.

Re: I've never done this but . . .

Date: 2003-12-17 05:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
Or why they have a literal belief in the Torah but not the Gospel.

Re: I've never done this but . . .

Date: 2003-12-17 05:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] calaf.livejournal.com
I'm very doubtful they know where one begins and another ends.

Date: 2003-12-17 05:47 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
[God] said (in the Bible) that we were “gods” and He is going to make good His words. If we let Him—for we can prevent Him, if we choose—He will make the feeblest and filthiest of us into a god or goddess, a dazzling, radiant, immortal creature, pulsating all through with such energy and joy and wisdom and love as we cannot now imagine.

This fairly Gnostic-sounding paragraph is based on the exegesis of Psalm 82 offered by Jesus in John 10:31-39 (http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?language=english&passage=John+10%3A31-39&version=NIV). Add to that Matthew 17:20 (http://www.biblegateway.com/cgi-bin/bible?passage=MATT+17:20&language=english&version=NIV&showfn=on&showxref=on) and other similar passages. As far as I can tell therefore it is entirely in line with mainstream Christianity. I have heard several television preachers, such as Benny Hinn, make similar kinds of statements.

Date: 2003-12-17 05:54 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
Theosis is a term of great weight in the Eastern churches, and is the name of the adult Sunday School I attend.

I know nothing of Benny Hinn, but when I see the name I can't help thinking of Benny Hill, who is much missed.

Date: 2003-12-17 07:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] sophiaserpentia.livejournal.com
Ah! Yes, theosis. I really do need to pay more attention to the Eastern Churches.

TBH I don't know much about Benny Hinn. He's one of those faith healers and is... I think... Pentecostal. But the one time I caught him on TV he was making statements to the effect that we could wield the power of God if we had proper faith.

"Your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods..." Heh.

Without paying for the material on that CD the site promoted, which I'm sure is horrid and shrill, I imagine that the prominent placement of the quote I mentioned insinuates that they consider it to be C. S. Lewis's prime heresy.

Date: 2003-12-17 07:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] prester-scott.livejournal.com
*stunned silence*

Date: 2003-12-18 06:24 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] joffridus.livejournal.com
Good Lord, deliver us.

Date: 2003-12-18 06:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] fixnwrtr.livejournal.com
And from such acorns blasted oaks do grow.

Once again there is war brewing in the Baptist fens. Too bad they forgot to take the beam out of their eyes when they wrote this treatise of pseudo-intellectualism.

Date: 2003-12-25 06:22 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mytindrum.livejournal.com
Lewis was an interesting character, though he doesn't really appeal to me the way a Tolkien or Chesterton does.

Have you read anything by Thomas Howard?

I haven't read your entire journal, but you seem to be Catholic, or at least an Anglo-Catholic who tends in that direction.

Date: 2003-12-26 06:31 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com
Evangelican Anglican mother, Roman Catholic father. Public schools, Quaker college, secular university.

Now a communicant of the Russian Catholic Church sui juris, an Orthodox Christian of the Russian tradition in communion with Rome.

I think I have seen this or that by Howard, and it seemed to be sensible.
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