When we were doing the folk masses back in the 70's, those of us involved did not see it as "entertainment." We saw it as getting involved and passionate about the worship, and we saw it as "celebrating" the mass instead of just being a spectator or drone or, worse, falling asleep. I wanted to take part in my religion, not be preached to all the time. In that respect....I know a lot of Catholics who were happier in Protestant churches not because they felt it was further from Christ, but because they felt they were more involved in the worship.
Gee, Frank, I do believe it is the Liturgy that transforms. Even as a teen I felt that to bring the vernacular, the world, into the worship space was somehow not what I needed to experience. Now, the Roman parishes here are indeed trying to incorporate a lot of Protestant liturgical style to appeal to folks. As a pastoral musician and liturgist I run into a lot of problems which I won't go into but it is painful. There are governances that most parishes ignore to make it up as they go along. Soon, there will be a list of hymns that are acceptable and there will be no exceptions. That is going to create a lot of difficulty here.
What we have is a mish mosh, not easily recognizable from parish to parish, state to state or country to country. In Orthodoxy, I recognize and relate to the liturgy at the Russian church, the Greek church and the Antiochian church. The services are in English with the exception that at the Greek church the hymns are sung in Greek and some of the prayers recited in Greek but the movement, the tenor, the words are all the same. Even in ethnicity it is still a universal form. I don't know about anyone else but I need to get away from the world and outside of time in worship. This is the big draw to Orthodoxy. I'm going some to the Greek church now and it is working well but a decision like I'm thinking about making has to be made slowly. They aren't rushing me but told me I could stay on 'just visiting' as long as I needed and would still be welcome whenever I want if I decided to remain with the RC's. That's true Charity.
You always provoke a ton of words from me with your posts which are certainly not verbose. Wish I could be so succinct in my communications.
To be perfectly fair, they do say "Please note that phatmass does not advocate using hip-hop in the liturgy."
On liturgy, I have a few comments. I have participated in more than a few Roman Catholic masses that were quite wonderful, even here in New York. And I am old enough to remember that the good old days weren't so good.
We may see some relaxation of the Orthodox rules against intercommunion as they realize that the new Pope is fairly close to Orthodoxy at heart.
One of his first decisions was not to use the papal tiara in his coat of arms, replacing it with a bishop's mitre and archbishop's pallium.
One of the nicest ways to destroy the unity of christianity in any political sense is to pit catholics against some other group. Its an old game. And it works. But...
Don't we have enough common enemies to be doing this to each other?
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Date: 2005-04-30 05:26 pm (UTC)Liturgy
Date: 2005-04-30 01:10 pm (UTC)What we have is a mish mosh, not easily recognizable from parish to parish, state to state or country to country. In Orthodoxy, I recognize and relate to the liturgy at the Russian church, the Greek church and the Antiochian church. The services are in English with the exception that at the Greek church the hymns are sung in Greek and some of the prayers recited in Greek but the movement, the tenor, the words are all the same. Even in ethnicity it is still a universal form. I don't know about anyone else but I need to get away from the world and outside of time in worship. This is the big draw to Orthodoxy. I'm going some to the Greek church now and it is working well but a decision like I'm thinking about making has to be made slowly. They aren't rushing me but told me I could stay on 'just visiting' as long as I needed and would still be welcome whenever I want if I decided to remain with the RC's. That's true Charity.
You always provoke a ton of words from me with your posts which are certainly not verbose. Wish I could be so succinct in my communications.
I am keeping you and your loves in my prayers!
Annie
Re: Liturgy
Date: 2005-04-30 05:37 pm (UTC)To be perfectly fair, they do say "Please note that phatmass does not advocate using hip-hop in the liturgy."
On liturgy, I have a few comments. I have participated in more than a few Roman Catholic masses that were quite wonderful, even here in New York. And I am old enough to remember that the good old days weren't so good.
We may see some relaxation of the Orthodox rules against intercommunion as they realize that the new Pope is fairly close to Orthodoxy at heart.
One of his first decisions was not to use the papal tiara in his coat of arms, replacing it with a bishop's mitre and archbishop's pallium.
It Has Begun
Date: 2005-04-30 04:14 pm (UTC)in any political sense is to pit catholics against some other
group. Its an old game. And it works. But...
Don't we have enough common enemies to be doing this to
each other?
Or are we all /really/ that stupid?
Re: It Has Begun
Date: 2005-04-30 05:44 pm (UTC)