"ANOTHER REVOLUTION"

[arisbe]

"One of the men being heavily promoted to become our next pope is the notorious Dionigi Tettamanzi, the Cardinal-archbishop of Milan. This has caused great apprehension among orthodox Catholics concerned about the future of the Church. Tettamanzi is frequently described in the media as a 'conservative,' but in reality, from what I have been told, there is nothing conservative about him. He is -- I quote trusted sources -- a 'wolf-in-sheep's clothing,' a dangerous innovator, who, if given a chance, might make John XXIII and Paul VI look like Hard-Right Traditionalists -- I kid you not -- Tettamanzi's detractors believe he would usher in ANOTHER REVOLUTION were he to become pope."

Of course some of my readers don't think that would be so bad...

Comments

[daisydumont.livejournal.com]

i'm glad to know about him. i'll do some digging to see if i can find extracts of his book.

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

A Pope who wants to understand gays as human beings... what a concept!

[daisydumont.livejournal.com]

yeah, pretty shocking. i've found the milanese archdiocesan site, with listings of his writings, but so far no solid links to the anthology. (i think i like him.)

[siderea]

Well... maybe. All we know -- until someone comes up with an English translation -- is that someone opposing this guy ascending to the papacy accused him of having a gay-positive book. For all we know, his "understanding" was "understanding them not as sinners but as sick people who can be treated with sufficient electroshock and/or hormones" (why, yes, other institutions -- psychiatry, for instance -- have been down this particular path of "humanism" before.) :/

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

For people who believe in celebacy (whether or not they practice it) heterosexual relations are not the be all and end all of life, so there is no great need for a cure.

[yechezkiel.livejournal.com]

I've said it before, and I'll say it again- a lot of other concerns pale before church unity. I think this is the pressing concern of the 21st century, the reunification of the orthodox.

I have no idea what this man wrote about homosexuality. It could be completely mundande (like you said, wishing to understand gays as human beings). I think that, unless he is truly promoting an heterodox re-casting of Christian morals (not knowing the bias of the site you link, I will claim ignorance), the questioon I would most want to ask Cardinal Tettamanzi is will you work so that they may all be one?

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

The Orthodox can wait. In fact they are waiting -- for the Catholics to set their own house in order.

[yechezkiel.livejournal.com]

You're putting a capital letter in where I didn't have one, so I don't think you're responding to my comment, exactly.

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

Good point!

Yes, I think the next Pope will continue to press for essential Christian orthodoxy, while bending on inessentials. Since there's nothing heretical about the old Mass, there's no reason why those who want it can't have it. And no reason why the Tudor Rite should be as limited as it is.

[novak.livejournal.com]

That was one trippy article! Sounds like the fellow would think about going schismatic.

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

Mel Brooks as the Indian chief in Blazing Saddles: "Lass ihn gehn!" (Yiddish -- in spite of my spelling -- for "Let 'em go!")

See the cartoon linked in the next comment.

[richardlog.livejournal.com]

http://www.filibustercartoons.com/archive.php?id=20050404

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

Wonderful: "From a strictly cartoonist perspective, I hope anyone other than Tettamanzi wins. I am tired of drawing round-headed Popes. I want a Pope with big ears or glasses or something new and fun like that."

The cartoon is great too.

[richardlog.livejournal.com]

It pleases me greatly.

Brief Reflections...

[joffridus.livejournal.com]

This article, it seems to me, shows a real lack of trust in the Holy Spirit to do His work in the Church.

I mean, I see how this article could be written by, perhaps, a Protestant who didn't believe the Holy Spirit was at work in the College of Cardinals, but, according to Roman Catholic theology, is it not the case that the Holy Spirit is guiding her?

I mean, claims like, "the Church as we know it will be over" seem to be a little over the top.

Re: Brief Reflections...

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

Oh, I don't know. Maybe the Church as they know it would be over, and maybe it should be over!

Re: Brief Reflections...

[joffridus.livejournal.com]

True.

[seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com]

that is an example of probably a hysterical
article, at least everything I hear about
Tettamanzi, Fr Plekon knows him for one thing,
indicates he is nothing special one way or other
but could be of course with the Grace of God
a worthy Pope. This source if it is the same one
I read is pushing Batista-Re but it is a kind
of ...well to say hysteria it is no worse than
our own election was for sure with the most
extravagent words used etc.

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

What I get from this is that the frontrunner is strongly committed to the legacy of John and Paul as well as John Paul, and this drives some folks crazy. With all due respect to Fr. Michael, it can be a great virtue to give the impression of being nothing special. I like him better for that.

[seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com]

well let us hope so if he is elected,
but again Fr Michael has spent a good
deal of time with him and thinks him
a competent nice quite firmly conservative politically
astute Cardinal, not the best and brightest...

when

[seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com]

I should explain that they were most recently in
a group working together at Bose for a week...
but Michael liked him just found incredible the
idea of him as progressive in some way.

Re: when

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

"Progressive in some way"... maybe some way that wouldn't seem particularly progressive to you or me. But to those fellows with the black helicopters...

[seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com]

maybe, you know his knowledge of tettmanzini
and mine of cardinal chrisoph is very impressionistic
but it is just my guess that that article is
something like "big lie" technique...dysinformation
passed to a decent fellow who runs a news service
(and no doubt let it be from decent people "alls
fair in ...")

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

Not much of a big lie -- if you look for the smoking gun it ain't there. If this is the worst his enemies can say...

Of course there is such a thing as black propaganda, things you put out and attribute to your adversaries. Perhaps someone on Cardinal T's side wants him to look good to the less conservative.

[seraphimsigrist.livejournal.com]

well...I guess what we do need and hope
the Holy Spirit helps to be found is indeed
a man who can work with the whole world
left to right.

The whole world left to right

[rawmr.livejournal.com]

Yes, one who will find the Middle Path. By the Grace of God. Amen.

Re: The whole world left to right

[arisbe.livejournal.com]

Amen to that.

Some interesting links here (http://www.cruxnews.com/) as always.