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Date: 2003-11-24 08:29 am (UTC)How are you feeling today?
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:37 am (UTC)But didn't the British government tell them where to land their helicopters? It's certainly not like they just flew up to the palace and said, "hey that looks like a good spot." And why wasn't there someone telling the TV people where to go?
I don't find it hard to believe that the Americans were not respectful of the place. But I do find it hard to believe that there wasn't a Brit there who's job it was to direct things...
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:41 am (UTC)There was a lot of very high handed demands made of our police and civil service both before and during the visit, some of which were turned down, others not.
It wouldn't surprise me at all if the landing pads were chosen by the Americans and that there was no-one here willing to say "you can't have them there."
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:42 am (UTC)From their point of view the Brits are peons who don't know their place and can't keep thier people in line.
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:45 am (UTC)Re: How well do the Bushies
Date: 2003-11-24 08:45 am (UTC)Maybe we American's should send a letter to the Queen apologizing for our bumbling idiot of a "leader"?
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:45 am (UTC)Like the Constitution of the United States.
Better, thanks.
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:47 am (UTC)Maybe because
Date: 2003-11-24 08:48 am (UTC)Re: Our leaders have no respect
Date: 2003-11-24 08:50 am (UTC)And I was pretty appalled at the whole visit, honestly. It was badly carried out and far too disrespectful as a whole. It struck me as "George goes to see the Queen". Am I the only one who thinks of Curious George when they think of Dubya?
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:54 am (UTC)However, she also stays as apolitical as possible. Which means if the Prime Minister and the government (who technically work for her, and swear allegiance to her) set up a meeting for her with someone, she tends to turn up. She doesn't pick and choose.
And, to be honest, whatever my personal opinions of President Bush are, there's no doubt that having the President of the US visit Britain is a significant occurrence and there should be a level of pomp and ceremony to accompany it.
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:56 am (UTC)he, at least, occasionally listens to the man in the yellow hat.
heh.
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Date: 2003-11-24 08:59 am (UTC)Not fair
Date: 2003-11-24 09:02 am (UTC)Problem is, certain people stole the yellow hat.
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Date: 2003-11-24 09:03 am (UTC)Every day I seem to find out more about just how low we've stooped...
sheesh.
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Date: 2003-11-24 09:08 am (UTC)no subject
Date: 2003-11-24 09:23 am (UTC)Re: How well do the Bushies
Date: 2003-11-24 09:24 am (UTC)Re: Maybe because
Date: 2003-11-24 09:27 am (UTC)The Queen won't, because that would mean that she was making an implicit comment about her attitude to President Bush and his relationship to her Prime Minister.
Tony Blair won't - Bush's visit was important to our Tone, and cements (in his own mind) his position at the Global Leader's club.
The Civil Service? Theirs is not to reason why, theirs but to stand and serve (to mangle two quotes completely).
There is no way that any President of the US could visit the UK and not meet the Queen - it would be an insult of massive proportions.
There is a question about why Bush was treated better than Clinton - if I recall correctly when Clinton visited he didn't get to stay at Buckingham Palace, but I'm guessing that Bush got the special treatment because Tony wanted it that way.
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Date: 2003-11-24 09:46 am (UTC)mensis horribilis
Date: 2003-11-24 10:09 am (UTC)Agreed
Date: 2003-11-24 11:09 am (UTC)Re: Maybe because
Date: 2003-11-24 04:46 pm (UTC)The irritation over the helicopters really has its roots in the fact that Mr. Bush was the first state guest to refuse to arrive by driving down the Mall in an open carriage (or even a closed car) with the Queen, when that is the regular form of welcome extended to all state visitors on their arrival in London.