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arisbe ([personal profile] arisbe) wrote2004-06-23 09:19 am

Hmm

As Israeli agents flood Kurdistan with arms and ill intent, Professor Schroeder's thesis acquires another surprising element: it would be the first instance that I know of where a superpower, after fighting a proxy war on behalf of a pipsqueak client, is kicked directly in the teeth by its ingrate of an "ally."

Justin Raimondo

Well at least somebody is taking the side of the Kurds, even if it's somebody Americans like Mr. Raimondo aren't all that thrilled with these days. And perhaps not without some reason.

Re: ignored the main point of the article

[identity profile] publius-aelius.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 10:55 am (UTC)(link)
The homes they were illegally deprived of when they fled, as refugees, from advancing Israeli armies, and the perpetual custody of the Muslim holy places on Temple Mount. And because Islam is a religion that, unlike mainline Christianity or liberal Judaism, WILL NOT BE "CO-OPTED" BY THE CULTURE OR VALUES OF SO-CALLED "CONSUMERIST DEMOCRACY," you may be certain that, no matter how many martyrdoms it takes, and no matter how many decades of struggle are involved, the Palestinian Arabs WILL prevail in the end. THEY are the original possessors of the land, and they will take it back from the Jews, who were unwilling to compromise with them, and live among them in peace, as "guests"--which is what a large--and wiser--part of the original Zionist movement proposed. Israel is doomed.

Re: ignored the main point of the article

[identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 11:06 am (UTC)(link)
There is one enormous difference between the terrorism of the founders of Israel and that of the Palestinians. The Brits had a home to go back to; the Israelis do not. Even if there is a moral equivalence, there is no strategic one.

And who are these so-called Palestinian Arabs anyway? Are they not largely descended from the Palestinian Jews of Roman times, who were permitted to remain on the land because they had been excluded from the Synagogue as Christians or suspected Christians?

Re: ignored the main point of the article

[identity profile] rawmr.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 11:22 am (UTC)(link)
Thankyou for showing your disregard for the actual facts, and true colors. So long as Arabs refuse to take responsibility for their barbaric actions, they will continue to be viewed as a small and silly people by Westerners. Your misery is entirely of your own making.

Christianity was once as stifling and oppressive as much of Islam is today. Hopefully Islam can change as Christianity did. The Free World is here to assist you.

Re: ignored the main point of the article

[identity profile] arisbe.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 11:26 am (UTC)(link)
"So long as Arabs refuse to take responsibility for their barbaric actions, they will continue to be viewed as a small and silly people by Westerners."

True. But so long as Israelis refuse to take responsibility for their own barbaric actions, they thenselves will continue to be viewed as a small and silly people by Westerners and Easterners alike.

There is enough barbarism to go around. There always is. But we always expect better of the Jews, God knows why.

always expect better of the Jews

[identity profile] rawmr.livejournal.com 2004-06-23 11:45 am (UTC)(link)
God knows why, haha. But barbaric is going a little to far. It is true that Israel treats Palestinians in the occupied territories badly. As I said, is it amazing to see them treated by Israel as an enemy? Bombing of Israely school buses began after the '67 war. Now suicide bombings. All carried out by organizations who would act regardless of how Israelys treated those in the occupied territories. And does the Palestinian authority treat these Palestinians any better? A number of Israely Palestinian towns were given the option of being under PA control once a peace agreement was signed. Every one of those towns unanimously refused the offer.