Well, of the non-supernatural ideas I've seen suggested, the idea of chemical excretions sounds relatively plausible.
And as to the de Molay idea: Lomas and Knight speculate that de Molay, who was accused of mocking Christ, might have been thus tortured in a way similar to Jesus. An observation that sounds a bit less speculative, though, is that the image on the Shroud appears more likely to be that of a medieval European than that of a first-century Palestinian.
speculative indeed, umm very weak argument I should say..but yes the key well then is dating, if it is first century then the image will be anyway of a first century sort of person if it is not...well it can be a medieval person but really I wonder if some very sophisticated art might not have created the negative effect of the image? or now I am perhaps getting into a weak speculative position...? of course I am not opposed to it being Jesus, let it be... but anyway on a lighter (or perhaps not lighter exactly) it is good that the Nazis did not get the idea of trying to test the possiblity of torturing people and wrapping them in shrowds to see if the turin effect would take place...it seems the sort of thing some occultist Nazi (granted fewer in number than the Morning of the Magicians would lead one to believe) might have done. +S.
As far as I can tell, all the theories of the image are natural rather than supernatural.
A bodily resurrection would be a miracle enough.
The Shroud, folded in a particular way and placed in a suitable shrine, is speculated to have been the "head" the Templars were accused of venerating, as well as the Mandylion of Edessa looted from Constantinople in 1204. Some have seen a resemblance to the Pantocrator painted in the dome of Dafni, where the object may have been taken for safekeeping before it came into Templar custody.
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Re: temple
Date: 2004-04-06 10:06 pm (UTC)And as to the de Molay idea: Lomas and Knight speculate that de Molay, who was accused of mocking Christ, might have been thus tortured in a way similar to Jesus. An observation that sounds a bit less speculative, though, is that the image on the Shroud appears more likely to be that of a medieval European than that of a first-century Palestinian.
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Date: 2004-04-06 10:12 pm (UTC)weak argument I should say..but yes the
key well then is dating, if it is first century then
the image will be anyway of a first century sort
of person if it is not...well it can be a medieval
person but really I wonder if some very sophisticated
art might not have created the negative effect of
the image? or now I am perhaps getting into
a weak speculative position...? of course I am not
opposed to it being Jesus, let it be... but anyway on
a lighter (or perhaps not lighter exactly) it is good
that the Nazis did not get the idea of trying to
test the possiblity of torturing people and wrapping
them in shrowds to see if the turin effect would
take place...it seems the sort of thing some occultist
Nazi (granted fewer in number than the Morning
of the Magicians would lead one to believe) might
have done.
+S.
no subject
Date: 2004-04-07 09:52 am (UTC)A bodily resurrection would be a miracle enough.
The Shroud, folded in a particular way and placed in a suitable shrine, is speculated to have been the "head" the Templars were accused of venerating, as well as the Mandylion of Edessa looted from Constantinople in 1204. Some have seen a resemblance to the Pantocrator painted in the dome of Dafni, where the object may have been taken for safekeeping before it came into Templar custody.